
If you work with kids, families, or clients impacted by trauma, you’re in the right place.
The Attachment Theory in Action Podcast is your go-to podcast for real conversations about trauma, attachment, and making a meaningful difference in the lives of those you serve.
Every other week, host Kirsty Nolan sits down with experts in attachment, trauma, and child development to talk about the stuff that really matters—how trauma shapes behavior and development, how to build stronger relationships, and how to bring these insights into your daily work.
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Episodes

Oct 20, 2020
Oct 20, 2020
29 min
Karen welcomes Kate White to the show to begin an all new two-part conversation on the impact of pre and perinatal experiences on attachment. Part two will be released on Tuesday, October 27th.
Kate White, MA, BCBMT, RCST®, CEIM, SEP, PPNE, is an award-winning prenatal and perinatal educator and an advanced bodyworker. She is trained in somatic therapies, prenatal and perinatal health, lactation, brain development, infant mental health, and has specialized in mother-baby dyad care using somatic prevention and trauma healing approaches for 20 years. She is a mother of two children, holds a BA and MA in Communication, a Registered Craniosacral Therapist in the Biodynamic Craniosacral method and a Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner. Her work combines somatic therapy, birth preparation, recovery from difficult birth, trauma resolution and brain development to help give families with babies and small children the best possible start. She is Founder and former Director of Education for the Association for Prenatal and Perinatal Psychology and Health and where she administered an online program for professional educators, runs a private practice and offers her own seminars and training as the Founder and Director for the Center for Prenatal and Perinatal Programs.

Oct 13, 2020
Oct 13, 2020
32 min
Karen welcomes Marshall Lyles to the show for part two of their discussion on Lyles' work with Sandtray Therapy.
Marshall Lyles, LMFT-S, LPC-S, RPT-S, EMDRIA Approved Consultant, has almost 20 years of practice in family and play therapy. Drawing on lessons learned from working with attachment trauma in a variety of mental health settings, Marshall regularly teaches on sandtray therapy and attachment-informed family work around the globe. In addition to authoring works in these areas, he is also a faculty member in Texas State University’s Institute for Play Therapy Sandtray Certification program. You can connect with him at www.marshalllyles.com.

Oct 6, 2020
Oct 6, 2020
28 min
Karen welcomes Marshall Lyles to the show for part one of their discussion on Lyles' work with Sandtray Therapy. Part two will be released on Tuesday, October 13th.
Marshall Lyles, LMFT-S, LPC-S, RPT-S, EMDRIA Approved Consultant, has almost 20 years of practice in family and play therapy. Drawing on lessons learned from working with attachment trauma in a variety of mental health settings, Marshall regularly teaches on sandtray therapy and attachment-informed family work around the globe. In addition to authoring works in these areas, he is also a faculty member in Texas State University’s Institute for Play Therapy Sandtray Certification program. You can connect with him at www.marshalllyles.com.

Sep 29, 2020
Sep 29, 2020
35 min
Karen welcomes Tenneson Woolf to conclude their two-part conversation on The Circle Way Model.
Tenneson Woolf is a facilitator, workshop leader, teacher, blogger, and coach committed to improving the quality of collaboration and imagination needed in groups, teams, and organizations. Woolf's work over 20+ years has been to design and lead meetings in participative formats. From strategic visioning with boards to large conference design to communities just learning to listen again to one another. Woolf has worked significantly with faith communities, educators, and foundation leaders. Woolf holds an undergraduate degree in Psychology (1988) and a masters degree in Organizational Behavior (1993).

Sep 22, 2020
Sep 22, 2020
29 min
Karen welcomes Tenneson Woolf to start an all new set of conversations. In part one, Karen and Tenneson start their discussion on The Circle Way Model. Part two will be released on Tuesday, September 29th.
Tenneson Woolf is a facilitator, workshop leader, teacher, blogger, and coach committed to improving the quality of collaboration and imagination needed in groups, teams, and organizations. Woolf's work over 20+ years has been to design and lead meetings in participative formats. From strategic visioning with boards to large conference design to communities just learning to listen again to one another. Woolf has worked significantly with faith communities, educators, and foundation leaders. Woolf holds an undergraduate degree in Psychology (1988) and a masters degree in Organizational Behavior (1993).

Sep 15, 2020
Sep 15, 2020
30 min
Karen welcomes Jayne Schooler to conclude their two part conversation on how to parent when you yourself were not parented well.
Agreeing to become foster parents in 1978 set the course for life experiences for Jayne and her husband David that continue today. The Schooler’s served as foster parents from 1978 to 1986 with Warren County (Ohio) Children Services.
Jayne's passion for over 25 years has been the training and education of adoption and foster care professionals and families. She has been been a featured speaker at numerous state, national and international conferences and trains regularly for the Ohio Child Welfare Training Program. She is the author/co-author of seven books in the adoption field, including her newest, Wounded Children, Healing Homes: How Traumatized Children Impact Adoptive and Foster Parents.
Sharing in pastoral ministry with her husband, Dr. David Schooler, they have pastored in Missouri and Ohio for over 35 years. They are both active in international ministries as part of their work with LAMb International in Kyrgyzstan, Poland and Ukraine.

Sep 8, 2020
Sep 8, 2020
29 min
Karen welcomes Jayne Schooler for part one of their two part conversation on how to parent when you yourself were not parented well. Part two of the conversation will be released on Tuesday, September 15th.
Agreeing to become foster parents in 1978 set the course for life experiences for Jayne and her husband David that continue today. The Schooler’s served as foster parents from 1978 to 1986 with Warren County (Ohio) Children Services.
Jayne's passion for over 25 years has been the training and education of adoption and foster care professionals and families. She has been been a featured speaker at numerous state, national and international conferences and trains regularly for the Ohio Child Welfare Training Program. She is the author/co-author of seven books in the adoption field, including her newest, Wounded Children, Healing Homes: How Traumatized Children Impact Adoptive and Foster Parents.
Sharing in pastoral ministry with her husband, Dr. David Schooler, they have pastored in Missouri and Ohio for over 35 years. They are both active in international ministries as part of their work with LAMb International in Kyrgyzstan, Poland and Ukraine.

Sep 1, 2020
Sep 1, 2020
30 min
Karen welcomes Jim Thomas to the show for part two of their conversation on using attachment theory when working with couples.
Jim obtained his Bachelor’s Degree in psychology from the Ohio State University. He studied alternative approaches to psychotherapy for two years at Boulder College, and earned his Master’s Degree in Clinical Psychology from the University of Colorado at Denver. He is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, EFT Therapist, and an AAMFT, Clinical Fellow and an AAMFT Approved Supervisor as well as an ICEEFT EFT Supervisor.
In 1990, Jim joined the Colorado Institute for Marriage and the Family for Post-Graduate Training in couples and family therapy. His mentors there, Jan Raynak, MD, and Suzanne Pope, Ph.D., taught him the importance of co-creating meaningful experiences for clients in the therapy session, going beyond appearances to the heart of a relationship.
From 1998 to 2002, Jim served as President-Elect, President, and Past-President of the Colorado Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (CAMFT). His peers elected Jim Chair of the Council of Division Presidents for the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (AAMFT). He served on the national board of directors for AAMFT. He presented workshops or facilitated strategic planning for the Alaska, Michigan, South Dakota, and Washington Associations for Marriage and Family Therapy. He also teaches EFT at Denver Family Institute.
Jim left agency work to start the Institute for Change, P.C., and Engaging Trainings. His consulting work includes Shining Mountain High School in Boulder. He has consulted with Aurora Mental Health Center, Mental Health Corporation of Denver, Shiloh House, Community Reach Center, Dignity Program for Girls, Shepherd Valley School, and Emerson Street School.

Aug 25, 2020
Aug 25, 2020
32 min
Karen welcomes Jim Thomas to the show for part one of their conversation on using attachment theory when working with couples. Part two of this discussion will be released on Tuesday, September 1.
Jim obtained his Bachelor’s Degree in psychology from the Ohio State University. He studied alternative approaches to psychotherapy for two years at Boulder College, and earned his Master’s Degree in Clinical Psychology from the University of Colorado at Denver. He is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, EFT Therapist, and an AAMFT, Clinical Fellow and an AAMFT Approved Supervisor as well as an ICEEFT EFT Supervisor.
In 1990, Jim joined the Colorado Institute for Marriage and the Family for Post-Graduate Training in couples and family therapy. His mentors there, Jan Raynak, MD, and Suzanne Pope, Ph.D., taught him the importance of co-creating meaningful experiences for clients in the therapy session, going beyond appearances to the heart of a relationship.
From 1998 to 2002, Jim served as President-Elect, President, and Past-President of the Colorado Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (CAMFT). His peers elected Jim Chair of the Council of Division Presidents for the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (AAMFT). He served on the national board of directors for AAMFT. He presented workshops or facilitated strategic planning for the Alaska, Michigan, South Dakota, and Washington Associations for Marriage and Family Therapy. He also teaches EFT at Denver Family Institute.
Jim left agency work to start the Institute for Change, P.C., and Engaging Trainings. His consulting work includes Shining Mountain High School in Boulder. He has consulted with Aurora Mental Health Center, Mental Health Corporation of Denver, Shiloh House, Community Reach Center, Dignity Program for Girls, Shepherd Valley School, and Emerson Street School.

Aug 18, 2020
Aug 18, 2020
33 min
Karen welcomes author Bethany Saltman to the show as they wrap up their discussion of how Bethany, a mother with no formal training or education in the attachment arena, began down the path of researching attachment theory.
Bethany Saltman is an author, award-winning editor, and researcher. Her work can be seen in magazines like the New Yorker, New York Magazine, Atlantic Monthly, Parents, Town & Country, and many others. Strange Situation: A Mother’s Journey Into the Science of Attachment (Ballantine, April 21, 2020) is her first book. Bethany also serves as a bestselling book partner and in-demand mindfulness mentor, helping writers and entrepreneurs at all stages of the creative process envision and execute their projects, including book proposals, books, content development, big ideas, messaging, and more. In 1992, Bethany graduated from Antioch College where she was one of the architects of the nation’s first Affirmative Consent Policy. She went on to receive her M.F.A in poetry from Brooklyn College in 1994, where she studied with Allen Ginsberg. A longtime Zen student, Bethany is devoted to the fine art and game-changing effects of paying attention. She lives in a small town in the Catskills with her family.
